Comments on Tangential Convergence: Episode 25 - We're Wikileaking Cheese All Over Mou...

Ken, I think that advocating a boycott may be an e...

2011-02-24T22:13:19.138-05:00

Ken, I think that advocating a boycott may be an effective tactic, but is still not (definitionally) civil disobedience, although it shares with civil disobedience the goal of gaining attention from a broader public with the intention of gaining sympathy and widespread support.

By those standards--ANY of those standards--an anonymous hack is criminal mischief with no shared goals with civil disobedience at all. Indeed, as you correctly point out, it achieves the exact opposite effect of annoying the general public.

A good point Rachel. But did not Gandhi advocate ...

2011-01-19T09:31:38.013-05:00

A good point Rachel. But did not Gandhi advocate boycotting the British monopoly on salt? It was both quasi breaking a law but mostly a boycott. I think in the case of the hack, what you have (and I'm going on a limb) is the punishment of corporate machinery for towing a government's line, whether implied or explicit. I still think it just irritated 99.999% of people trying to do transactions and the point was entirely lost though.

Hee! Thank you--but sounding smart on this is the ...

2011-01-18T21:40:53.877-05:00

Hee! Thank you--but sounding smart on this is the result of my having studied PoliSci and some of it sticking...and being able to think about it for a while first.

Yup, charging a foreign national with treason. Fur...

2011-01-18T20:47:39.677-05:00

Yup, charging a foreign national with treason. Further proof that we don't elect our legislators in the USA based their intelligence.

I don't think wikileaks would ever have achieved as much media noise as it did if not for the long and glorious tradition of the U.S. military being, at least, a party to lying to the people they serve, from the Weapons of Mass Destruction to making school-children hide under their desks to survive a nuclear first-strike back in the 1950's. Everyone loves the enlisted ranks - it's the top-shelf Officers (having seen Officers playing Chess observing just how much a pawn means to them), and Politicians, that no one trusts.

Does blogging make you a journalist? My gut answer to that was; depends on the number of lawyers you can afford. This sounds flippant, but as was pointed out, no one sued the New York Times, Der Speigel, or The Guardian over the data put out there. It's a lot easier to crush the little guy who can't fight back. Thankfully, there's the EFF and the ACLU. Having said that, and knowing I'm free to say anything I want on my blog, I could still be legally right and lose my job if I chose to criticize my bosses and be financially screwed. While not quite as dumb as the guy who threatened the Robin Hood airport in the UK last year, still stupid.

What's really disturbing are the gray-area attacks that have come up from either side of WikiGate (sorry, no one has made a better name for it yet). Anonymous using the ion canon on Paypal, MasterCard, and Visa. A discrete call from Washington to Amazon asking about how this web-hosting stuff might be damaging to your company's bottom-line. Inquiries to Twitter for copies of direct messages from a member of the Icelandic Parliament?

Thanks for another podcast!

-jim

That Rachel is an excellent point. I think you ar...

2011-01-17T22:08:11.938-05:00

That Rachel is an excellent point. I think you are correct. We should have you on some time, I think you know more than any of us...

As I understand it, civil disobedience means break...

2011-01-17T14:03:39.837-05:00

As I understand it, civil disobedience means breaking a law that is seen as unjust, openly and as publicly as one can manage, and being willing to take society's punishment for breaking that law--and then going out and breaking it again as soon as one is able. By that definition, a boycott is not civil disobedience. And equally, committing a crime is not civil disobedience unless the crime is breaking that unjust law. Therefore, I believe that no, the hack was in no way an exercise of civil disobedience.